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		<title>Busy Days&#8230;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has been a busy week or so.&#160; So no blogging.&#160; One of the reasons for being busy last week was a &#34;vision day&#34; we had at church on Sunday.&#160; I will blog about that in a day or two &#8230; <a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2008/10/07/busy-days/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a busy week or so.&#160; So no blogging.&#160; One of the reasons for being busy last week was a &quot;vision day&quot; we had at church on Sunday.&#160; I will blog about that in a day or two (hopefully!).</p>
<p>I intend to continue with my series on <a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/series/lakeland/">Lakeland and Toronto</a>.&#160; But just for now I link to <a href="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=716">an interesting post by Peter Kirk, at Gentle Wisdom</a>, with Rory &amp; Wendy&#8217;s (from God TV) response to Lakeland.&#160; Here is a little of what they said:</p>
<blockquote><p>we believe that the Lord instructed us to broadcast the Outpouring services at Lakeland with Todd Bentley.</p>
<p>It was not a mistake.     <br />It was not by mistake.      <br />We believe it was a clear instruction from the Lord.</p>
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<p>I can&#8217;t comment on whether the Lord told them or not &#8211; maybe he did.&#160; But if He did, was it also his will to hype it so much?&#160;&#160; Would it also not be His will for them to learn from the episode and perhaps do things differently next time?&#160; But unfortunately no reflection, in their statement, about what they have learnt from the episode.&#160; Only that Todd was not fully surrendered to the Lord.&#160; Easy to the fault in others.&#160; Less easy to see in ourselves.</p>
<p>I am glad they have said something.&#160; I wish they had said more.&#160; And so I still stand by what I said in <a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2008/09/23/lakeland-and-toronto-part-3/">my previous post</a>.</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
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		<title>Lakeland and Toronto &#8211; Part 3</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Following my last couple of posts (1 &#38; 2), reflecting on the Lakeland Outpouring, and trying to learn some lessons by contrasting to the Toronto &#34;blessing&#34;.&#160; This post I move on to the role of the media&#8230; &#160; Media Toronto, &#8230; <a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2008/09/23/lakeland-and-toronto-part-3/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following my last couple of posts (<a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2008/09/19/lakeland-and-toronto-part-2/" target="_blank">1</a> &amp; <a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2008/09/15/lakeland-and-toronto/" target="_blank">2</a>), reflecting on the Lakeland Outpouring, and trying to learn some lessons by contrasting to the Toronto &quot;blessing&quot;.&#160; This post I move on to the role of the media&#8230;</p>
<p>&#160;</p>
<p><strong><a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sign-post2.jpg"><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 0px 20px 10px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" height="244" alt="SIGN-POST" src="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/sign-post-thumb2.jpg" width="244" align="left" border="0" /></a> Media</strong></p>
<p>Toronto, in the early 90&#8242;s, was pre-internet, and in the UK at least, pre-Christian TV.&#160; News spread of something that God seemed to be doing by word of mouth, and eventually Christian magazines.&#160; There were no blogs to read of people&#8217;s experience or questions.&#160; It wasn&#8217;t screened nightly into our living rooms from day 1.&#160; I don&#8217;t think I heard about anything until probably around May time in 1994, and the first meeting with Randy Clark in Toronto was Jan 20th that year.&#160; Even then reports were sketchy &#8211; something about a meeting at Holy Trinity Brompton, people lying on the floor for ages, people &quot;drunk&quot; in the Spirit.&#160; During a week of mission in August in our church, in the morning prayer times, the Holy Spirit moved powerfully amongst us.&#160; This wasn&#8217;t transferred, but broke out spontaneously.</p>
<p>This time allowed people to process what they were hearing over time, assess without being told by one source what to think of it.&#160; It was much more organic.&#160; It gave time for the leaders in the church in Toronto to learn, to have a little theology for what was going on, to get a little more wisdom on how to deflect criticism, steer a middle path between emotionalism and allowing God to move.&#160; Even then there were excesses and mistakes.&#160; My experience of Toronto was still too focused around the manifestations: even though it was said that wasn&#8217;t the deal, when people were &quot;zapped in the Spirit&quot; it was still celebrated, betraying what people really thought.</p>
<p><a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/todd-bentley-search.png"><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 10px 0px 10px 20px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" height="141" alt="todd bentley google search" src="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/todd-bentley-search-thumb.png" width="309" align="right" border="0" /></a> Lakeland, on the other hand, was virtually instantaneous, screened live by God TV and on the internet.&#160; In my opinion, God TV have a lot to answer for, as they effectively became the ones who proclaimed this from the rooftops: this is God &#8211; jump in.&#160; It didn&#8217;t allow time for people, or for questions, or for process.&#160; They were forcing people to make a choice: are you for this or not?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t imagine the pressures that suddenly hit Todd Bentley and his Fresh Fire ministry.&#160; In the matter of a few days, he was catapulted from a somewhat known itinerant preacher to global superstar in the Christian world.&#160; Just look at these charts.&#160; The first one shows Google searches on &quot;Todd Bentley&quot; over the last few years, and you can clearly see two clear spikes: one when Lakeland was growing in prominence, the other when news hit about his moral failure.&#160; They show that searches were 14 times the average over the last 5 years.</p>
<p><a href="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/todd-bentley-technorati-chart.png"><img style="border-right: 0px; border-top: 0px; margin: 10px 15px 5px 0px; border-left: 0px; border-bottom: 0px" height="216" alt="todd bentley technorati chart" src="http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/todd-bentley-technorati-chart-thumb.png" width="274" align="left" border="0" /></a> This chart&#160; (on the left) shows the increase of blogs about Todd Bentley as recorded by Technorati.&#160; Again it is easy to see the huge spike in interest and attention in Todd.</p>
<p>In the end, the failing of Todd to live faithfully to his wife, has had a greater impact on the body of Christ due to the prominence he had &#8216;achieved&#8217; over the last few months.&#160; If Lakeland hadn&#8217;t happened, I doubt it would have registered a hit on Christian radar.</p>
<p>For that, I think that GodTV do have real responsibility.&#160; Not for Todd choices.&#160; But for the pressure that he was put under.&#160; For not allowing Lakeland to grow slowly or fizzle out.&#160; For promoting something, and then not taking responsibility for the leadership they brought to the worldwide body of Christ.</p>
<p>What would have happened if Lakeland hadn&#8217;t been broadcast on the internet and TV&#8217;s?&#160; Is it possible that some help could have been brought to Todd without such a public failure?&#160; Could some of the theology been sorted?&#160; Might there have been a greater discernment about what God was doing, and what was excess?</p>
<p>We will never know.&#160; All I know is that wouldn&#8217;t want to have been put in the place that Todd found himself.&#160; And if I found myself in the midst of a move of God, I wouldn&#8217;t be getting in contact with GodTV.&#160;&#160; Unless my flesh had its own way&#8230;</p>
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