Welcoming 3 – First impressions

This entry is part 3 of 5 in the series Welcoming

I am winding up for some down (holiday) time, so a distinct lack of blogging.  But here is the next post of welcoming.  We are thinking about how we can welcome new people into our community: this time looking at the first time you come to our church building.  Comments welcome, even appreciated!  Once again this post has been written by Neil Duguid.

OK. You’ve never been before, but your friend persuaded you … great music, doughnuts … and now you find yourself walking up the steps. Your friend is somewhere inside, and your only thought is to find that welcome face.

Photo: joeyclifton.comThe steward gives you a sheet of paper (you wonder what that is, but the print is a bit small and grey) but didn’t actually break off from talking to someone else to make you welcome. Where do I go now? It’s like visiting an unfamiliar multiplex … which door do I go through to find my friend? But no one notices your uncertainty.

You wander through the door which most other people are using (always a good sign), and are in the main auditorium. But you can’t see your friend … can’t see the doughnuts … the band is still soundchecking … and after a few minutes you begin to wonder if the rest of the audience, who are mostly standing around and chatting, can’t see you either. Have you worn your invisibility cloak? You give your friend two minutes to find you, otherwise you’ll be offski.

Practical hint – if you are bringing someone new, arrange to meet them at a rendezvous point on their route and come in with them, it’s like being able to use that VIP channel at airport security. The one person that they already know is their passport to a whole new group of friends.

But the challenge is … why didn’t we notice that new person who had just arrived for the first time. And, equally, do we notice the established member who looked a bit out of it.

The way Rick Warren puts the challenge is – how can I start treating other people at church like my own family?

How can we help people make newcomers feel at home? Literally! Perhaps a simple listening skills course would help, aimed at working through the "Hi, I’m Tom" scenario, helping people to offer friendship and to open doors.  How many of us have "the ability to build relationships"? What does it depend on?

Here’s Donald Miller from Blue like Jazz (Chapter 18):

Here is something very simple about relationships … : Nobody will listen to you unless they sense that you like them.

If a person senses that you do not like them, that you do not approve of their existence, then your religion and your political ideas will all seem wrong to them. If they sense that you like them, then they are open to what you have to say …

When I am talking to somebody there are always two conversations going on. The first is on the surface; it is about politics or music or whatever our mouths are saying. The other is beneath the surface, on the level of the heart, and my heart is either communicating that I like the person I am talking to or I don’t. God wants both conversations to be true. That is, we are supposed to speak truth in love … if you talk to somebody with your mouth, and your heart does not love them, you are like a person standing there smashing two cymbals together. You are only annoying everybody around you …

Now … when I go to meet somebody, I pray that God will help me feel His love for them. I ask God to make it so both conversations, the one from the mouth and the one from the heart, are true.

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Thought for the day

This was an aside and not the main point of the post that was written, but it highlights the desperate need to move away from what Colin Symes calls "decisionism"…

I became a follower of Jesus. I was always a Christian, by which I mean that I always trusted in Christ to avoid hell. But, in the years since I left politics, I have increasingly felt called to follow – to imitate, to learn from the teachings of, and to be shaped by the model of – Jesus. These means that I am seeking, each day, to be converted and to become more and more like Christ.

Reading this comes on the back of a conversation a few weeks ago about process or journey in faith.  There was a general agreement that we have moved away from a decision (crisis) to journey (process).  I actually think there is a place for crisis, but in the context of process.  So our faith journey is punctuated by moment of crisis: are we going to follow and trust Jesus in this situation?  My problem is when the only crisis is the moment of "conversion".  Throughout our life, we will face many moments of crisis: perhaps at times of illness or bereavement or failure in some way.  These are also the moments to trust and follow…

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Welcoming 2 – Getting them through the door

This entry is part 2 of 5 in the series Welcoming

This is part 2 of a series on welcoming people into our church community.  We are exploring what is working well, and what we can do to improve what we are doing.  If you are part of our community, we would love your comments.  If you aren’t part of our church, any comments that can help us would be appreciated too!  These posts have been written collaboratively by Brian Donaldson, Neil Duguid and the team…

 

Jon Birch has a gift for seeing the church as others see us. His cartoons at asbojesus are witty, and probably sometimes upsetting to many in different parts of the church. But have you walked around Edinburgh looking at church noticeboards and wondering whether to go there on a Sunday? Most of them do not impress! The doors are shut, and when they are open on a Sunday, the lobby area is designed like a public toilet … so that you can’t see in from outside.

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How do we present ourselves to others? Our usual answer is to say that we are the church, and we present it to out friends and community. So then we can make excuses about the other things, that they really don’t matter so much. Like:

  • Our advertising … I was looking for cinema times and saw the Google Ad for one of our other city churches. Full marks to them.
  • Our website … is it clear, informative and appealing?
  • The outside of the building. What will go through the mind of the passenger on the bus stuck in the traffic outside? OK, we don’t have those inane Wayside Pulpit messages. Neither, although we are big on the bible, do we have a big bible text, probably looking rather condemning when taken out of context. But what do we have? Not a lot.

In other words, the whole issue of external communications fits here. Just because what is inside is what matters, do we ignore the outer face?

What would you like to see us do? And can you help us do it?

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Busy Days…

It has been a busy week or so.  So no blogging.  One of the reasons for being busy last week was a "vision day" we had at church on Sunday.  I will blog about that in a day or two (hopefully!).

I intend to continue with my series on Lakeland and Toronto.  But just for now I link to an interesting post by Peter Kirk, at Gentle Wisdom, with Rory & Wendy’s (from God TV) response to Lakeland.  Here is a little of what they said:

we believe that the Lord instructed us to broadcast the Outpouring services at Lakeland with Todd Bentley.

It was not a mistake.
It was not by mistake.
We believe it was a clear instruction from the Lord.

I can’t comment on whether the Lord told them or not – maybe he did.  But if He did, was it also his will to hype it so much?   Would it also not be His will for them to learn from the episode and perhaps do things differently next time?  But unfortunately no reflection, in their statement, about what they have learnt from the episode.  Only that Todd was not fully surrendered to the Lord.  Easy to the fault in others.  Less easy to see in ourselves.

I am glad they have said something.  I wish they had said more.  And so I still stand by what I said in my previous post.

 

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Thought for the day

It is all too common for Christians to attempt to do justice to the scriptural narrative by listening to it, learning from it, and attempting to extract a way of viewing the world from it. But the narrative itself is asking us to approach it in a much more radical way. It is inviting us to wrestle with it, disagree with it, contend with it, and contest it-not as an end in itself, but as a means of approaching its life-transforming truth, a truth that dwells within and yet beyond the words.

Pete Rollins

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Welcoming 1 – Mystery shopper, mystery worshipper

This entry is part 1 of 5 in the series Welcoming

This starts a series on welcoming people into our church community.  We are exploring what is working well, and what we can do to improve what we are doing.  If you are part of our community, we would love your comments.  If you aren’t part of our church, any comments that can help us would be appreciated too!  These posts have been written collaboratively by Brian Donaldson, Neil Duguid and the team…

clip_image002[4]We have a small team in our church which has been looking at welcome and hospitality. The team’s role is to inspire all of the body parts to think welcome and hospitality, not to leave it to a number of people on a rota. This series of posts will highlight the different stages we go through as we approach any church community, and raise issues for discussion.

Do we need to look at how we appear and how we integrate new members? If you doubt this, then ask a couple of unchurched people to come along and check out our meeting, and tell you honestly what they think.

One person who did this was Jim Henderson, who hired a thinking atheist (Matt Casper) to join him to visit a number of very varied American churches – from the megachurch down to a house church, and across a spectrum from traditional to contemporary.

Sometimes, Matt is genuinely impressed by what he sees, but sometimes he ends up saying to Jim that he cannot square what he sees with what he understands of Christ’s teaching … especially in the connection between the words he hears and what he sees working out in the life of the church.

Another survey, closer home, was blogged by Simon Varwell in Glasgow in 2006. The end-of-round-one post makes interesting reading.

Some of the churches visited were, once perhaps they had got over their chagrin at being labelled unwelcoming, able to look at themselves constructively through Simon’s posts and able to become more welcoming as a result. That’s what we hope these posts will do too.

If you are part of our community: Do you think we are welcoming? Or does it depend on already knowing someone who will help you to find your way in?

If not: What is your community like in welcoming new people?

 

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Lakeland and Toronto – Part 3

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Following my last couple of posts (1 & 2), reflecting on the Lakeland Outpouring, and trying to learn some lessons by contrasting to the Toronto "blessing".  This post I move on to the role of the media…

 

SIGN-POST Media

Toronto, in the early 90′s, was pre-internet, and in the UK at least, pre-Christian TV.  News spread of something that God seemed to be doing by word of mouth, and eventually Christian magazines.  There were no blogs to read of people’s experience or questions.  It wasn’t screened nightly into our living rooms from day 1.  I don’t think I heard about anything until probably around May time in 1994, and the first meeting with Randy Clark in Toronto was Jan 20th that year.  Even then reports were sketchy – something about a meeting at Holy Trinity Brompton, people lying on the floor for ages, people "drunk" in the Spirit.  During a week of mission in August in our church, in the morning prayer times, the Holy Spirit moved powerfully amongst us.  This wasn’t transferred, but broke out spontaneously.

This time allowed people to process what they were hearing over time, assess without being told by one source what to think of it.  It was much more organic.  It gave time for the leaders in the church in Toronto to learn, to have a little theology for what was going on, to get a little more wisdom on how to deflect criticism, steer a middle path between emotionalism and allowing God to move.  Even then there were excesses and mistakes.  My experience of Toronto was still too focused around the manifestations: even though it was said that wasn’t the deal, when people were "zapped in the Spirit" it was still celebrated, betraying what people really thought.

todd bentley google search Lakeland, on the other hand, was virtually instantaneous, screened live by God TV and on the internet.  In my opinion, God TV have a lot to answer for, as they effectively became the ones who proclaimed this from the rooftops: this is God – jump in.  It didn’t allow time for people, or for questions, or for process.  They were forcing people to make a choice: are you for this or not?

I can’t imagine the pressures that suddenly hit Todd Bentley and his Fresh Fire ministry.  In the matter of a few days, he was catapulted from a somewhat known itinerant preacher to global superstar in the Christian world.  Just look at these charts.  The first one shows Google searches on "Todd Bentley" over the last few years, and you can clearly see two clear spikes: one when Lakeland was growing in prominence, the other when news hit about his moral failure.  They show that searches were 14 times the average over the last 5 years.

todd bentley technorati chart This chart  (on the left) shows the increase of blogs about Todd Bentley as recorded by Technorati.  Again it is easy to see the huge spike in interest and attention in Todd.

In the end, the failing of Todd to live faithfully to his wife, has had a greater impact on the body of Christ due to the prominence he had ‘achieved’ over the last few months.  If Lakeland hadn’t happened, I doubt it would have registered a hit on Christian radar.

For that, I think that GodTV do have real responsibility.  Not for Todd choices.  But for the pressure that he was put under.  For not allowing Lakeland to grow slowly or fizzle out.  For promoting something, and then not taking responsibility for the leadership they brought to the worldwide body of Christ.

What would have happened if Lakeland hadn’t been broadcast on the internet and TV’s?  Is it possible that some help could have been brought to Todd without such a public failure?  Could some of the theology been sorted?  Might there have been a greater discernment about what God was doing, and what was excess?

We will never know.  All I know is that wouldn’t want to have been put in the place that Todd found himself.  And if I found myself in the midst of a move of God, I wouldn’t be getting in contact with GodTV.   Unless my flesh had its own way…

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Lakeland and Toronto – Part 2

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SIGN-POST I am exploring the differences between the Lakeland Outpouring and The Toronto Blessing.  I am hoping that we can learn some lessons, hold on to some of the good things, and to avoid  in the future some of mistakes that have caused such a mess in the recent weeks.  My first post will give more context.  So here we go:

Wham, Bam or Rising Tide

Todd Bentley’s trademark cry of "Bam" was the phrase of Lakeland.  But it also probably symbolises Lakeland for me. Loud, quickly here, in our lives, on our screens, in our faces.  Then suddenly gone, dropped by the TV schedulers, quicker than you can say ‘thank you ma’am’!  From what I have heard, in both Lakeland, and the UK hot-spot of Dudley, people were prayed for, many fell over, were allowed to stay on the floor for a few seconds, and then were hauled to their feet, so someone else could have their floor space.

Toronto on the other hand, actively encouraged people to stay on the floor.  For the leaders of that movement, it was what the Holy Spirit did while you lying on the floor, soaking in His presence, that was more important.  In some meetings, they even started with people lying down, bringing cushions to make themselves comfortable, to spend a couple of hours "soaking".  There were phrases such as "marinating" in the Spirit, an expectation that we could receive more, as we lingered.  Although, I think there was sometimes too much made of the manifestations, there was an emphasis on the internal, a renovation and healing of the heart.

All of this could simply be stylistic differences, but I would suggest there is something more fundamental at work here.  Toronto was a renewal, reviving the church, back to a love and intimacy with God.  There was impartation and physical healing, but these were always secondary.  Ezekiel 47, the rising river of God, was a key passage.  The need for individuals to keep coming back to that river, to be refreshed and healed, enabled Toronto to have a longevity, that Lakeland hasn’t had.

And there is the rub.  I am in this for the long haul.  I am not interested in burning bright for a while, and then burning out.  I want to run the whole race, not a 100m dash.  There are moments, of course, where we powerfully encounter God.  But they are in the context of a lifetime journey of walking with God.  Character & renovation of the heart don’t come in a few seconds on the floor, but as we live our lives with God; as we work and live with people who are different to us; as we learn to love and be loved.  Wham, Bam might be exciting, but it is hardly ever sustained.

Next time:

Media

Toronto, in the early 90′s, was pre-internet, and in the UK at least, pre-Christian TV…

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Praying for Revival…

revival This is from Mr. David, from our congregation…

Some people pray for revival and imagine that ‘signs and wonders’ will declare that when it happens, but I was rolling around the thought that maybe we are part of a revival right now – right as we speak – and one that is all the better for not being particularly visible.  I mean, is 1100 individual prayer rooms in Brasil last year not a ‘wonder’?  What about the dozens of new ‘academies’ being opened by Oasis Trust, Emmanuel Schools Foundation, the Anglican Church etc. etc.?  Or Orthodox, Catholics & Protestants all working together as part of Alpha – is that a ‘sign’?  Maybe I’m right, maybe I’m wrong, but I am not praying for a revival where people ‘go all wobbly’ in the streets (although I don’t mind that either).  Something a bit more reformatory, creative and redemptive is where my heart is at.  And I think we are already beginning to see it.

I love it, David.  I would love to see more people thorough transformed by an encounter with God, the good news transforming people’s lives.  But I think that is too small a vision.  I really want to see society transformed.  Not looking for much then eh?

What do you want to see?  What do you pray for?

 

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Lakeland and Toronto

This entry is part 2 of 4 in the series lakeland

SIGN-POST A few weeks after the sad news of Todd Bentley marital problems, I have been wanting to write some reflections on Lakeland, and compare some of the differences between "The Lakeland Outpouring" and "The Toronto Blessing".

There has been much written about Lakeland. In the UK there has been a lot of stuff said, much of it either uncritically positive or critically negative.  There have been a few articles that I have read (and many I am sure I haven’t) that offer something a little more reflective and nuanced.  Two reviews, from people that I respect are  Terry Virgo’s review and Part 2 (NFI) and Billy Kennedy’s thoughts (New Community, Southampton).  Another highly respected church leader, Paul Reid from CFC in Belfast, has weighed in recently with a more negative slant in a couple of posts here and here.  One of the UK bloggers who has made the most sense is Peter Kirk, of Gentle Wisdom.  He has been pretty positive, but thoughtfully so, and his posts are really well researched.  In addition, Joel Edwards the then General Director of the Evangelical Alliance has some helpful principles to evaluate any move of God.

Many of the big names in the US charismatic scene have all made statements: Peter & Doris Wagner (as quoted on Gentle Wisdom), Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, John Arnott, & Che Ahn.  I have linked before to Lee Grady’s (editor of Charisma) response.

When looking back at a positive event, it is easy to forget some of the negative aspects.  However, as I recall Toronto I found it a predominantly positive experience.  I know there were some problems (which I hope to come to and the end of the series), but through that "move of the Spirit" I had some profound encounters with God.  Personal emotional healing, refreshing and a profound sense of calling with continues to today.  I didn’t rush off to Toronto itself, but went there twice in 2001 & 2003  (the first visit in particular, came a particularly difficult time in my life, and was a life saver) but in the Summer & Autumn of 1994 I was enthusiastically embracing the "river" that was flowing here in Edinburgh.

The Lakeland outpouring, on the other hand, I found much harder to evaluate.  I didn’t have a personal experience of Lakeland, except what I saw on GodTV.  It also seemed to divide Christian opinion even more than Toronto.  It appeared that lots of people rushed to proclaim this was a significant move of God (or not) and a call to others to come out in favour or against it.  I believe in a God who hates suffering, and loves to heal (while I acknowledge that He often (mostly?) doesn’t insulate or deliver us from suffering), but found myself unconvinced by much of what I saw.  I didn’t think it was evil or bad, I just wasn’t convinced about all the hype surrounding it.

So what was the difference between the two?

Wham, Bam or Rising Tide

Bentley’s trademark cry of "Bam" was the phrase of Lakeland…

…and for the rest, you will have to wait for the next post…!

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