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	<title>Comments on: NT Wright is NOT going to heaven</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 23:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tim Sokell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Sokell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 14:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Rupert.... not going to heaven? ..... perhaps he's going to Lakeland instead!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Rupert&#8230;. not going to heaven? &#8230;.. perhaps he&#8217;s going to Lakeland instead!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: andy bowley</title>
		<link>http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2008/02/22/nt-wright-is-not-going-to-heaven/#comment-4846</link>
		<dc:creator>andy bowley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NT Wright always was one hell of a nice guy!</description>
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		<title>By: Alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just bought the book...looking fwd to reading it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just bought the book&#8230;looking fwd to reading it!</p>
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		<title>By: Alastair</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rupert - love the blog headline! One of the things I love about Wright is how is so faithful to the scriptures and not doctrine and dogma. Ever since I became a Christian I realised that biblical texts concerning heaven were actually very scarce, compared to texts about the resurrection.  I'm very excited about Wright's book. Some random thoughts:

One thing I would point out that he doesn't say that we will be asleep as in "passed out", only that &lt;em&gt;compared to the resurrection life&lt;/em&gt; it will be like sleep.

However at this point I do wonder if his speculation is leading him away from the biblical text (!), unless he is pointing to the use of "sleep" as a metaphor for death for Christians.

A natural reading of the book of Revelation, as Wright himself points out, shows passed-on (bodily dead) saints in heaven participating in worship. In the vision of Revelation these saints are clothed in white robes. Jesus has a resurrection body and is already in the heavenly paradise, yet we have to wait for ours. So do we have bodies (white robes) or not? It seems a case can be made for pre-resurrection bodies in heaven. But if we do have some sort of "body" in heaven, whats the point of the resurrection?

One thing Wright's message does challenge is the visions of many Christians who claim to visit heaven, where these visions seem to depict heaven as the final resting place.

Its quite ironic that a statement made straight from the bible (the ultimate destiny of Christians is not heaven) can be so controversial.

So I'm not sure about the "sleep" bit, but to me its crystal clear that passed-on saints being gathered into Jesus' presence in Paradise is a temporary and intermediate measure, with the main emphasis being the resurrection / New Creation.

I guess the main thing is: how does this change the way we act in this world right now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rupert - love the blog headline! One of the things I love about Wright is how is so faithful to the scriptures and not doctrine and dogma. Ever since I became a Christian I realised that biblical texts concerning heaven were actually very scarce, compared to texts about the resurrection.  I&#8217;m very excited about Wright&#8217;s book. Some random thoughts:</p>
<p>One thing I would point out that he doesn&#8217;t say that we will be asleep as in &#8220;passed out&#8221;, only that <em>compared to the resurrection life</em> it will be like sleep.</p>
<p>However at this point I do wonder if his speculation is leading him away from the biblical text (!), unless he is pointing to the use of &#8220;sleep&#8221; as a metaphor for death for Christians.</p>
<p>A natural reading of the book of Revelation, as Wright himself points out, shows passed-on (bodily dead) saints in heaven participating in worship. In the vision of Revelation these saints are clothed in white robes. Jesus has a resurrection body and is already in the heavenly paradise, yet we have to wait for ours. So do we have bodies (white robes) or not? It seems a case can be made for pre-resurrection bodies in heaven. But if we do have some sort of &#8220;body&#8221; in heaven, whats the point of the resurrection?</p>
<p>One thing Wright&#8217;s message does challenge is the visions of many Christians who claim to visit heaven, where these visions seem to depict heaven as the final resting place.</p>
<p>Its quite ironic that a statement made straight from the bible (the ultimate destiny of Christians is not heaven) can be so controversial.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m not sure about the &#8220;sleep&#8221; bit, but to me its crystal clear that passed-on saints being gathered into Jesus&#8217; presence in Paradise is a temporary and intermediate measure, with the main emphasis being the resurrection / New Creation.</p>
<p>I guess the main thing is: how does this change the way we act in this world right now?</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rupert, I started this book a few weeks back, it's very interesting. Not quite sure where it's going but it's good to hear someone trying to articulate this further. Maybe he picked up the idea from your posts on this last summer lol...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rupert, I started this book a few weeks back, it&#8217;s very interesting. Not quite sure where it&#8217;s going but it&#8217;s good to hear someone trying to articulate this further. Maybe he picked up the idea from your posts on this last summer lol&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol, he does like to stir doesn't he  :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol, he does like to stir doesn&#8217;t he  <img src='http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Makeesha</title>
		<link>http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2008/02/22/nt-wright-is-not-going-to-heaven/#comment-4424</link>
		<dc:creator>Makeesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew I liked NT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew I liked NT!</p>
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		<title>By: john Heasley</title>
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		<dc:creator>john Heasley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome back to the bloggerworld Rupert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back to the bloggerworld Rupert.</p>
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