Comments on: Mission and Development - Part 7 http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/ Random wonderings about God and Life Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:08:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: rupert http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1369 rupert Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:06:32 +0000 http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1369 <img src="http://www.cce.uk.net/ims/Rupert.jpg" alt="Rupert" WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=75 HSPACE=15 VSPACE=10 ALIGN=RIGHT /> <FONT color=blue> Yes I agree - thanks Paul. </FONT> Rupert
Yes I agree - thanks Paul.

]]> By: rupert http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1368 rupert Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:04:17 +0000 http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1368 <img src="http://www.cce.uk.net/ims/Rupert.jpg" alt="Rupert" WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=75 HSPACE=15 VSPACE=10 ALIGN=RIGHT /> <FONT color=blue> Thanks alastair. I think you are right with the last paragraph ... that is what is being criticised I think, and there is some truth in what de Gruchy is saying, but i do wonder if he is going a bit far... On de Gruchy, you may be right, that he doesn't mention Jesus much here, although the third one (i think) was about Jesus inaugurating the Kingdom. What i like about it, is what he is seeking to do: he intergrates mission and develepment with some good theology. It isn't a manefesto for life, or a systematic theology. So i think you are right: he is light on Jesus, the cross, and a number of other topics. </FONT> Rupert
Thanks alastair.
I think you are right with the last paragraph … that is what is being criticised I think, and there is some truth in what de Gruchy is saying, but i do wonder if he is going a bit far…

On de Gruchy, you may be right, that he doesn’t mention Jesus much here, although the third one (i think) was about Jesus inaugurating the Kingdom. What i like about it, is what he is seeking to do: he intergrates mission and develepment with some good theology. It isn’t a manefesto for life, or a systematic theology. So i think you are right: he is light on Jesus, the cross, and a number of other topics.

]]> By: Paul http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1361 Paul Wed, 27 Jun 2007 13:19:10 +0000 http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1361 i often have wondered about faith/works divide and how a helpful correction caused a breakout of dualism :) increasingly i think the two are meshed in the same way the trinity is :shock: i often have wondered about faith/works divide and how a helpful correction caused a breakout of dualism :)

increasingly i think the two are meshed in the same way the trinity is :shock:

]]> By: Alastair http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1354 Alastair Tue, 26 Jun 2007 10:09:02 +0000 http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/25/mission-and-development-part-7/#comment-1354 Agree with de Gruchy regarding the dualism. Again, Wright says quite a bit about this. He talks about the "woes" that have affected contemporary christianity: actually I forget the list but it something like: enlightenment, romanticism and existentialism. I am also reminded of Driscoll when he said that Christians who go to church and sing songs etc but don't give financially to God's kingdom are not worshipping, because in the OT we see that sacrifice is the heart of worship. He says that having a spiritual experience is not worship. Similar kind of statement... a hard word. I am not sure what is is, but there is something about what "de Gruchy" is saying that I don't like. One thing: how Christo-centric is his view of mission? I am not sure where Jesus fits its to his thinking. Not sure that he gets much of a mention. After all, its his mission that we are on: he is Lord of the world until he hands it back to the Father. Regarding prayer meetings, I assume you are referring to the practise of praying about stuff, but never doing anything, against the idea of participating in the mission of God and surrounding everything you do in prayer? Agree with de Gruchy regarding the dualism. Again, Wright says quite a bit about this. He talks about the “woes” that have affected contemporary christianity: actually I forget the list but it something like: enlightenment, romanticism and existentialism.

I am also reminded of Driscoll when he said that Christians who go to church and sing songs etc but don’t give financially to God’s kingdom are not worshipping, because in the OT we see that sacrifice is the heart of worship. He says that having a spiritual experience is not worship. Similar kind of statement… a hard word.

I am not sure what is is, but there is something about what “de Gruchy” is saying that I don’t like. One thing: how Christo-centric is his view of mission? I am not sure where Jesus fits its to his thinking. Not sure that he gets much of a mention. After all, its his mission that we are on: he is Lord of the world until he hands it back to the Father.

Regarding prayer meetings, I assume you are referring to the practise of praying about stuff, but never doing anything, against the idea of participating in the mission of God and surrounding everything you do in prayer?

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