Comments on: Incarnate 2007: Session 5 - Tony Campolo http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/08/incarnate-2007-session-5-tony-campolo/ Random wonderings about God and Life Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:06:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: rupert http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/08/incarnate-2007-session-5-tony-campolo/#comment-1280 rupert Sun, 10 Jun 2007 08:08:16 +0000 http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/08/incarnate-2007-session-5-tony-campolo/#comment-1280 <img src="http://www.cce.uk.net/ims/Rupert.jpg" alt="Rupert" WIDTH=60 HEIGHT=75 HSPACE=15 VSPACE=10 ALIGN=RIGHT /> <FONT color=blue> Hi Tanya - great stories ... i love them. :razz: I think you are right Tony Campolo being a Christian ... I don't think he would really say that doing kind things to people makes someone a Christian, but you could interpret that from what he said. I think he was probably trying to say he didn't act as a Christian - but he didn't actually say that! Yes i think the HS is at work in people who aren't Christians. We certainly see that in Scripture, where people who aren't in the community of faith that God is working in or through. eg. King Cyrus (2 Chron 26:22). What do you think? </FONT> Rupert
Hi Tanya - great stories … i love them. :razz:
I think you are right Tony Campolo being a Christian … I don’t think he would really say that doing kind things to people makes someone a Christian, but you could interpret that from what he said.
I think he was probably trying to say he didn’t act as a Christian - but he didn’t actually say that!

Yes i think the HS is at work in people who aren’t Christians. We certainly see that in Scripture, where people who aren’t in the community of faith that God is working in or through. eg. King Cyrus (2 Chron 26:22). What do you think?

]]> By: tanya heasley http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/08/incarnate-2007-session-5-tony-campolo/#comment-1279 tanya heasley Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:53:26 +0000 http://rupertward.cce.uk.net/2007/06/08/incarnate-2007-session-5-tony-campolo/#comment-1279 A few years ago I witnessed a fight between three women. Two of them had another woman on the floor and was hitting her. Observing this fight were their children who were of course crying. I steemed in without thinking and got between the women and shelded the victim. This ended the fight and the attackers moved on, children and all. I helped the victim up and asked if she was ok, her response was f**k off. Charming I thought, but I didn't take offence. I thought about what I had done and realised that I didn't really think about the consequenses before I acted. I saw a woman being beated up by two others and some children in distressed and felt this woman needs some help even though I don't like seeing fights and I could have got punched myself, somehow I had the courage to intervene. Another time I was in a packed shopping centre when I saw from a distance an elderly lady fall backwards on some marble stairs. She laid there upside down with blood poaring from her head. There were many people around her but they either carried on walking or just stood there staring. I was with a friend who had a baby and so I grabbed a nappy and ran towards the woman. When I reached her I placed the nappy onto the back of her head to absorb the blood and waited with her until help arrived. Again I didn't think about the fact that I don't like seeing blood, I just reacted. I have been in many situations where my own life was in danger when I've helped others or I have done things that I normally would never do, but what I want to say is, those two times above was when I wasn't a Christian. I don't totally agree with what Campolo said about if he was a 'Christian' that day he would have intervened. I believe that being a Christian does make us think more about helping others, but during my pre-Christian days, I believed it was part of my character that made me intervene. Do you think the Holy Spirit works in people before they accept Christ or is it purly character driven? A few years ago I witnessed a fight between three women. Two of them had another woman on the floor and was hitting her. Observing this fight were their children who were of course crying. I steemed in without thinking and got between the women and shelded the victim.

This ended the fight and the attackers moved on, children and all. I helped the victim up and asked if she was ok, her response was f**k off.

Charming I thought, but I didn’t take offence. I thought about what I had done and realised that I didn’t really think about the consequenses before I acted. I saw a woman being beated up by two others and some children in distressed and felt this woman needs some help even though I don’t like seeing fights and I could have got punched myself, somehow I had the courage to intervene.

Another time I was in a packed shopping centre when I saw from a distance an elderly lady fall backwards on some marble stairs. She laid there upside down with blood poaring from her head. There were many people around her but they either carried on walking or just stood there staring. I was with a friend who had a baby and so I grabbed a nappy and ran towards the woman. When I reached her I placed the nappy onto the back of her head to absorb the blood and waited with her until help arrived.

Again I didn’t think about the fact that I don’t like seeing blood, I just reacted. I have been in many situations where my own life was in danger when I’ve helped others or I have done things that I normally would never do, but what I want to say is, those two times above was when I wasn’t a Christian.

I don’t totally agree with what Campolo said about if he was a ‘Christian’ that day he would have intervened. I believe that being a Christian does make us think more about helping others, but during my pre-Christian days, I believed it was part of my character that made me intervene.

Do you think the Holy Spirit works in people before they accept Christ or is it purly character driven?

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